cleveland, columbus, here in cincinnati. a growing latino population. the president starts with a head start. the white vote, 44% to 53% for romney. i would say this. if governor romney can keep the white vote closer to 40%, he has a chance and getting minority turnout, that was the president's recipe for success four years ago. >> i know that is so crucial when you look at ohio, what do you see there? >> the reason, it has -- you look at a couple of different places. the north of the state. cleveland, over to toledo. a place where we think we see evidence the auto bailout is helping. across the industrial north. that means a lot of blew collar white voters supporting the president. then you come here to the southwest corner of the state. cincinnati is in hamilton county. it was blue four years ago. the state including cincinnati, 52% for the republican ticket, 47% for president obama. mitt romney -- it's a classic swing state, both campaigns essentially getting what they need where they need it. who can turn out the vote. >> and turn out the vote comes